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Forum question:  What is your thought when you see someone with their “pants hanging down?”




GS - We need to think.  What happened to being proud about how we looked? We used to care that what we represented was something positive. Now it seems as if anything goes. With the the same characteristics prevailing in those that wear their pants like they do, should we be concerned about the "stigma" that is being attached to those that choose this "style"? And what is the true future of someone who does this?




 




GS- Regarding stepparenting - What do you think should be the approach to handling discipline around the house? It really depends on the situation. There needs to be a clear understanding about the rules of the house. A child should never feel that they have the "upper hand" with their biological parent over their stepparent if that stepparent is an honest and righteous individual. He should always know that both parents are on the same page. When one parent says something then "that is it".




 




Visionaries, Male, 24, La Jolla, CA




Try asking today's teens, and you'll likely get the following responses:







1: Why are you sagging?



2: Because it's cool.



1: Why is it cool?



2: I don't know.







1: Why are you sagging?



3: Because I want to.



1: Why do you want to?



3: I don't know.







1: Why are you sagging?



3: It's freedom of expression.



1: What are you trying to express?



3: I don't know.







1: Why are you sagging?



4: I don't have a belt.



1: Why don't you go get one?



4: I don't know.







1: Why are you sagging?



5: It's sexy.



1: What's sexy about it?



5: I don't know.







1: Why are you sagging?



6: I don't know.



1: Why don't you know?



6: You ask too many questions.


GS -You are 100% on target. There is no real understanding, nor explanation for doing what many young men (and women) are doing. But that is what needs to be brought out. There is no excuse for doing the things that cause you to be thought of in a less than "desirable" manner. It is difficult enough to get a break when things seem to be "okay". But when you add something else to the mix, you lessen the chances for success.



 


Rhoyal kaos, female, 28, Portage MI


My thought is: Pull ya pants up! Simple. Of course if our young men walk around lookin' like this, they can and WILL miss out on opportunities. Every one of us characterize or generalize people just based upon looks alone. To see some young man look like this, I'd automatically assume he has some sort of affiliation with the streets. He might actually be the Valedictorian of his class when he graduated but I would never know that lookin' at him. So, instead of offering an opportunity to him...maybe tell him about a job opening that fits his line of study in college (IF he's in college--again, I can't tell by his style of dress), I'mma keep right on walkin' and hope he doesn't attack me. Am I wrong to think this way? Mmmm...maybe. But for those who this fits, don't be mad at me because I ain't tryin' to deal with you...straighten yourself up.



Common denominator to all this? The parents.


 




GS- I really feel you. It is or it should be that simple. As easy as it is to correct, many allow the stigma of what they do to become foremost in the minds of the people who look for something to hold against them. Stereotypes are bred this way and as long there continues to be evidence to affirm what many are already thinking, it will be just that way.


 


Smallportions, female Inglewood, CA


I checked out the website, I just might have to pick up that book. Now as far as boys saggin in there pants, it's just stupid. now it seems like almost , and understand me almost every male is saggin to some degree, some more than others. I've heard the reason, that "I don't like my pants to fit to tight "or it's uncomfortable. I even saw a young man come to my job for a interview with his pants hangin low, so now I guess some young men and boys are looking at this as the norm. As far as appearance and caring how we look, that seems to be in the past or for some people have a different opinion of proper dress. Basically, it's like this people no longer care what anyone thinks about how they dress, as long they like who cares what others think.


 




GS -It is truly a shame because what is true and will always be true is that people perceive you based on what they "see". Like it or not, that is the first impression unless you first speak over the phone. We have to understand that and it is necessary that the young people realize this.




  Stretchluv, male, 31, Lawton, OK




Prison culture has moved into our communities. Back in 1988 when I was 12, we sagged our pants but just slightly for breathing room. Gangsta rap started glorifying prison culture and the sag kept geting lower. Corn rows became popular around 1995 with D'Angelo's first album.



It is now cool to look like a prisoner now in some circles. The gang bangers are setting the trends but this is nothing new. In the 80's, the rappers would dress like local drug dealers with a pager and a gold chain (truck jewelry). Now it is the gang life with wife beaters, white tees, crazy saggin pants, corn rows.



This fad will change into something else. Just wait.



Does it hurt Black people? Yes. People will make their percpetions and it will cost some people some jobs opportunities and educational opportunities. Just a fact of life.




Notdacattyone, male, 36, Bronx, NY


Ok when are we speaking of those that have the pants under their butts or are we also speaking of the ones that have their pants mid butt? I have a problem with the ones that have it under their butts where the crotch is by the knees. I see absolutely nothing comforting in that at all.



But the mid butt is fine as long as the underwear is not showing because it is covered by the shirt. I say this because I'd prefer for them t have a little breathing room as opposed to walking down the street "shifting". I hate to see men "shifting" when walking down the street, or even touching in that area. To me it's like men are checking to make sure its still there..........silly as it may sound that's what it looks like to me when men are walking down the street grabbing at themselves.



I understand about the prison culture and what the sagging signifies.........I don't think many of these boys and men are thinking about it in that manner though.



@stretch..........cornrows don't necessarily signify thug or having been in jail or gangsta.




 




Stretchluv,




Grown men and cornrows is straight from prison. My dad use to rock the crazy fro back in the 70's and he would braid his own hair at night to protect the fro. He would never walk outside with his hair braided.



Men in prison (I got relatives) use to rock the cornrows for low maintenance. There is a song by Snoop Dogg called "Doggy Dog World" (circa 1993) and Kurupt said "cut off khakis, french braids, and house shoes." That is straight prison culture. Ice-T had a song called "Colors" and he said "My pants are saggin, braided hair, sucka's stare but I don't care."' Straight prison culture.



On the West Coast, Brothers were rocking the Gheri Curls and Perms up until 1994. East coast Brothers were rocking the bald heads, dreads, and high tops up until 1994. When D'Angelo came out in 1995, you saw a sharp spike in men wearing cornrows.



Don't believe me? Just go to you tube and try to find some mass videos before 1995 where Brothers were rocking the rows.


 




MsLeeta, female, 36, Hampton,VA




pulling up pants



ha ha



Someone is actually trying to pass a law that makes it illegal to wear saggy pants, or show a bra strap and a bunch of other things and equate that to exposing your privates in public.



Funny how that will just increase the number of black kids in jail (since that is the style of our misguided youth).  



Bigger question: so if momma's buying the pants, why are they still sagging? As for afros and corn rows, to each his own. The only reason the boys should pull up their pants is because it's dangerous (trip and fall) and because they are showing clothes that are "under" for a reason. I think we are giving too much of our power to the government as it is.



Making laws to fix every little thing is only going to create more laws and provide more opportunity for people to serve time for minor offenses. There's enough of that already.



Teach kids how to dress and this really wouldn't be a problem.



As for these older guys they should know better. Crazy clothes like pajamas outdoors should be a personal cry to stop the madness. Women we need to stand up for fashion and teach these guys how to dress. Pajama bottoms and showing drawers ain't sexy it's sad.




Stretchluv,…


The reason this town in Louisiana is passing this law is because parents have failed to teach or do their jobs. So, WE THE PEOPLE decide what is decent and indecent. It is not okay for men to walk around showing their little dirty underwear and then I have to explain to my 7 year old why Pookie is doing this. WE THE PEOPLE have had enough!



If these kids get records, it is their own faults because they don't respect the law and they damn sure don't respect me and my family by showing me their as$. Why should I respect them? I don't have time to HEAL THE WORLD.



White kids get into legal trouble all the time with their skateboards. Strip malls and department stores posts signs all the time saying no loitering and no skateboarding on this property. At night, these kids skateboard and loiter and they get arrested. I taught 8th grade and 11th grade for one year and I have heard the children tell me this. They didn't respect the law, so they had to pay the price.

2007-10-16 13:17:28 GMT
Comments (2 total)
Author:Anonymous
wearing your pants low isnt a bad thing, your parents always tell you dont judge a book by its cover and people do this nowadays. An example of this is I've skateboarded for 3 years now and never been mean to cops or disrespectful to authority figures and today i was forced by a so called "rent a cop" or security gaurd to give him my skateboard because I was skateboarding to keep up with my friends on their bikes to get to his house because a cant cross certain roads at night, theis security gaurd threatened to areest me and use force if he had to if i did not give him my board my mom had to come all the way from my sisters dance recital to claim my board and take me off the property.
This is a stereotype in all society that skateboarders and people who wear there pants low are all bad. WERE NOT, MOST OF US ARE TOP OFF THE CLASS STUDENTS. "I have a 98 average in school and still almost got arrested for something stupid."
--chris
2008-06-25 04:30:52 GMT
Author:Anonymous
wearing your pants low isnt a bad thing, your parents always tell you dont judge a book by its cover and people do this nowadays. An example of this is I've skateboarded for 3 years now and never been mean to cops or disrespectful to authority figures and today i was forced by a so called "rent a cop" or security gaurd to give him my skateboard because I was skateboarding to keep up with my friends on their bikes to get to his house because a cant cross certain roads at night, theis security gaurd threatened to areest me and use force if he had to if i did not give him my board my mom had to come all the way from my sisters dance recital to claim my board and take me off the property.
This is a stereotype in all society that skateboarders and people who wear there pants low are all bad. WERE NOT, MOST OF US ARE TOP OFF THE CLASS STUDENTS. "I have a 98 average in school and still almost got arrested for something stupid."
--chris
2008-06-25 04:31:28 GMT